Shower


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Title     Shower
Artist     sirx/Oliver (233) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user
Portfolio     Experiments
Subject     Erotic
Style     Photographic
Medium     Digital Photograph
Software     Adobe Photoshop
Submitted     July 17, 2003 8:01:56 AM CDT
Views     6,037
Rating     4 Thumb-up

I wanted to visualise the mood of the victim in this case, when toughts refuse to work like normal and reality starts to vanish to protect yourself.

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from vision375/Eva (2,928) Send mail to this user on November 25, 2004 12:28:37 AM CST (2)

WOW GOOD OR BAD THIS PIECE DID GET ALOT OF ATTENTION..CHECK IT OUT.. ID CALL THAT CONTRAVERSIAL.. THANKS BILL FOR BRING THIS TO MY ATTENTION WITH YOUR RECENT CRITIQUE...PS WONDER WHAT THEY WATCH ON TV.. I RARELY DO.. REASON? VIOLENCE

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from billbonner/Bill (47,868) Send mail to this user on November 24, 2004 8:12:20 PM CST (4)

Whatta bunch of art-dopes - the red thumbers - jesus - nice presentation of a difficult subject - this is a ritual madonna image - provocative and very good.

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From orlovitz/s (1,317) Send mail to this user on March 31, 2012 11:26:08 PM CDT

Overall I agree, again, but there are some technical flaws, no?

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Thumb-up    from terberg/Kees (3,145) Send mail to this user on August 18, 2004 6:50:26 PM CDT (1)

A powerfull and painfull submission. I cannot say that I like it but it is effective and it surely does reveal "hurt". I am not quite sure how a pain like this could be associated to the victim. I guess that I should be glad that I have no accociations with it...

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Non-conforming thumb-up Non-conforming thumb-up    from erlandpil/Erland (629) Send mail to this user on August 4, 2004 10:35:02 AM CDT

I like it great idea and a very good picture

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from dadge/Adrian (613) Send mail to this user on April 1, 2004 4:51:15 PM CST (0)

Artistically speaking this is very good indeed. Your comment makes no sense, especially as the woman is not a "victim", she's a model. And I think I would be right in assuming she was not your model; this is just a photo you've found and treated. But the treatment is very good. I just wouldn't bother pretending there is a message here.

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From sirx/Oliver (233) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on May 7, 2004 1:39:15 PM CDT

Of course shes a model what else, I am not a criminal and I hope you use a model for similar scenes too. I did the setting the bondage and the photography on this one like with all of my works. @Message Your are right this image shall create an emotion it doesn't carry any more message than visualise a feeling that tells you something depending on your background or not.

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from trusselle/Lisa (49) Send mail to this user on March 16, 2004 1:14:49 PM CST (2)

I think you caputred the rapture mixed with pain and suffering perfectly. This is not the right audience for your type of work, but there are many out there that would enjoy it. I would offer potential buyers 2 versions one with blood and one without. The blood, while visually stimulating distracts from the expression on the model's face which I think is the most important part of the piece.

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from askin/Askin (4) Send mail to this user on March 12, 2004 6:45:51 PM CST (3)

Uhh, I am new at Artsig and it seems a different planet. I do not think that you deserve all this 3td. Technically what you did in it, its fit. Over exposion, models pose..Hey people please look at her eyes, they are telling something more than bondage photo.

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Thumb-down Thumb-down Thumb-down    from patzartz/Patricia (179) Send mail to this user on March 12, 2004 1:08:20 PM CST (0)

when I first joined this site I thought, "Who would be so lame as to rate someone's art Offensive or repugnant." Well, now I know - it's me. The lighting is garish, the blood looks like poster paint (which may be intentional) and it's just a homage to violence in my book. I'd go further, but several folks have already said it and I agree.

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Thumb-down Thumb-down Thumb-down    from seas/Seas (415) Send mail to this user on January 17, 2004 5:36:22 PM CST (2)

With that supposed damage the victim wouldn't be standing, she's not even leaning against the wall except her head - an expression which either is "my god I'm bored" or "dead". The blood looks realistic in places, silly unrealistic in others (like the blood on her chin - looks like it's flowing upwards)



Whatever digital effects you did to this doesn't help at all, just looks like weird overexposed errors filled in with a single colour, at places like the colours of the rope - not tasteful at all. The bright parts in the vaginal area I reckon is because you brightened other dark parts, then didn't bother finetuning it.

Artistic expression -4 (I see no anti-violence message in this)

Technical quality +1 (the original seems to have been good. I don't understand the scene, nor the rope not being cut off)

Digitalization -4 (no effects done I feel are good)

Originality -4 (standing up, in a bathroom, tied up, supposedly dead.....ok)
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-2.75 (rounded -3)

I see no point in this image except for 1) show violence 2) show nudity 3) pretend it's anti-violence

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From seas/Seas (415) Send mail to this user on February 27, 2004 9:59:13 AM CST

Ugh. I'm not particulary fond of this style of critiquing I did.... In short I agreed with marcopolo and repeated most of what he said. :(

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Thumb-up Thumb-up Thumb-up    from minuetofmadness/Jennifer (299) Send mail to this user on January 16, 2004 10:23:37 AM CST (3)

she appears to be in a daze, holding herself up by sheer reflex. the look on her face, i know too well, and the light - nice touch, i've had experiences where the the world around me seems to get very, very bright.. blurry along the edges.. dizzy spells, i suppose. (: i need to study it some more. you've captured my attention.

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from moon1299/Alan (3) Send mail to this user on October 12, 2003 5:50:50 AM CDT (3)

Why all the red thumbs ? The idea is good - Done again maybe in black / white this would get 3 green thumbs from me - pushing the limit is always a good idea -
1299 Moon Street Studio

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from lisamarie/Lisa-Marie (176) Send mail to this user on September 3, 2003 8:06:57 PM CDT (9)

I dont believe this should get 3td but 2tu! Its very unique and bold! You are not doing the norm in art and that is great! Gothic like with bondage, seems horror film esque. It is wonderful. I l ove the white of the shower it really makes the blood pop out and the model is perfect for this she seems liek she gave up on struggeling. Great work!

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From seas/Seas (415) Send mail to this user on January 17, 2004 5:38:44 PM CST

crit helpful: yes

Hmm. Hmm. That's another way to see it.

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Thumb-down Thumb-down Thumb-down    from marcopolo/Mark (389) Send mail to this user on August 5, 2003 12:03:01 AM CDT (1)

This is what I call destructive, nihilistic "art". That in itself can be artistic if done right. Some of your other stuff I saw doesen't look that bad, but this one just doesen't do it for me. The compostition is bad and not artistic at all, and the colors look fake and funky. With different lighting and setting it may be better, but in a flourescent-lit shower it doesen't work at all. Worse yet, it reminds me of something Damien Hirst might do, and I HATE Damien Hirst's so-called art.

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From kelli/Kelli (22) Send mail to this user on December 7, 2005 2:11:48 PM CST

Artistic means something different to everyone and the point of art is to express something from within. That is not the same for anyone so I don't think it's fair to say someone's art is not artistic because it is THEIR art. You may not like it, but that does not mean it is not art.

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Thumb-up    from jccrawford/JC (2,038) Send mail to this user on July 18, 2003 12:03:21 PM CDT (5)

The blood's a little too red -- seems fake, maybe even syrup-y. Otherwise I like it. Thanks for injecting a little controversy.

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From sirx/Oliver (233) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on July 21, 2003 8:21:08 AM CDT

Funny, the blood indeed was real. Of course not hers.

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Thumb-down    from antoine/Marc (8,038) Send mail to this user on July 17, 2003 4:32:19 PM CDT (0)

I do not like this image, can be I does not understand it! to you it something denounces, which message want it to make pass, you give little explanation well
je n'aime pas cette image , peut être je ne la comprend pas ! dénonce t'elle quelque chose , quel message veux elle faire passer , vous donnez bien peu d'explication

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Thumb-up    from ottochriek/John (164) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on July 17, 2003 1:13:53 PM CDT (9) Early critique

I think the PS rendering is generally good. By reducing the background nearly to faint line work, the subject is clearly no longer part of her surroundings. The lighting washes out some of the subject's features and suggests she is fading from the viewer. The standing pose suggests the subject is weak but not necessarily exhausted, making it difficult to decide whether physical or mental collapse will occur first or even if either will occur.

In that regard, I find it difficult to sympathize with the subject as victim or sense her mood. Although technically well done, the adjustments result in a clinical presentation: here is a scene, here is a subject. I'm uncertain about the message. If it is to suggest the subject's mental state, perhaps rotating the image several degrees would provide a clue. The canted geometric pattern in the background would signal that all is not right here; the direction of her gaze would be less ambiguous, for example signalling resignation with a downward/outward stare (counterclockwise) or appeal to external assistance with a more strongly upward look (clockwise). Also, consider adjusting the subject's skin colors -- darker or paler, surrealistic, etc. -- to provide another window to her mind as you envision it.

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Thumb-down Thumb-down Thumb-down    from kenmac/Ken (347) Send mail to this user on July 17, 2003 11:51:56 AM CDT (1) Early critique

An attempt to push the evelope to see how low we will go? I can't give constructive comments on this as it is just "sensationalistic", but not "art". Using the "Shock factor" doesn't count (in my opinion of coarse).

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Thumb-down Thumb-down Thumb-down    from willart/William (2,728) Send mail to this user on July 17, 2003 10:16:18 AM CDT (2) Early critique

Sorry, while I am not a prude, and can enjoy erotica along with the next person, I find this type of art questionable. Bondage whether male or female, does happen in life, I can’t deny that, but here it is something else, distasteful. With or without the blood.

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From sirx/Oliver (233) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on July 31, 2003 2:54:23 PM CDT

You are right, it happens in life. I tie my girlfriend every once in a while and she likes it.

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From deleted30/deleted (4,981) Send mail to this user on July 21, 2005 7:12:42 PM CDT

"I tie my girlfriend every once in a while and she likes it. " and she isn't the only one :D

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From moon1299/Alan (3) Send mail to this user on October 12, 2003 6:07:48 AM CDT

I just want to say I have taken a look at all your work and think it is very very good - you do not deserve all the red thumbs - I have just joined artsig (basic member) and can not wait to start posting my work - (we will have a lot in common with the red thumb people) - keep up the good work -
1299 Moon Street Studio

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From terry/Terry (859) Send mail to this user on July 7, 2004 4:40:21 PM CDT

I think this is a case of the subject colouring opinion and don't feel all those red thumbs were really justified. I was a little surprised to learn you'd used real blood, as it does look *very* red, particularly on the feet. Best.. terry.

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